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Sun, Apr. 18th, 2010, 03:29 pm
enigmaticae: more on the two

Perhaps you've seen this but thought I might place the link here for archival purposes:


Sun, Apr. 18th, 2010, 03:12 pm
enigmaticae: of all the things i thought i would find. . .

I am sorry that I never seem to post a thing here. Today, I was looking for some of Sylvia's nature poems and then I was going to go looking for some of Ted's as well. It was just a game I was playing with myself as I work to make the daily deadlines of poems for National Poetry Writing Month (30 days, 30 poems--like National Novel Writing Month in November each year). While I was in the middle of my search, I found this audio. After having a listen, I thought I'd share it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/audio/2010/apr/15/sylvia-plath-ted-hughes

Sat, Oct. 13th, 2007, 06:54 pm
ideealisme: Ted Hughes's letters in the Daily Telegraph






Have mixed feelings after reading all these, about Hughes's personality rather than his poetry. There is something decidedly unpleasant and controlling in his manner, particularly to his letter to Aurelia Plath a few months after Sylvia Plath's suicide, brought about by his sexual rejection of her in favour of Assia Wevill. He makes up a load of controlling guff to patronise and hurt Mrs Plath when the real reason he doesn't want her to come over is because he is b***-deep in AW and doesn't want ma-in-law to find out. It's one thing to want to avoid censure and judgement, another to put it all back on the woman, be it mother in law, mistress, wife, whoever. Hughes seemed to be good at that.

Similarly with Assia Wevill, he says she is brain-fogged and warped because she has just given birth. Now Wevill was not a nice character and got by on her looks, but the treatment she received from him was appalling. His manner, in implying that her accusations and her very judgement are due to her flawed nature, reminds me of the dangerous, manipulative bullshit I was fed by a man of similar temperament in 2002. Such psychologically abusive relationships with their clever way of treating the victim horribly and making them feel as if it is their fault - I'm sorry but it makes me shiver to the very bone. It took me a long time to recover from what that man did to me.

Of course the usual Ted Hughes conundrum comes up - just because the person is dislikable, does that negate the poetry? Surely Robert Graves and Laura Riding's (yes, THAT is the poet Hughes sounds like!!) contention that a good poet must be a good person does not apply. What about that nasty, vain, cruel, philandering hypocrite Shelley, who is an immortal poet? What about Plath herself, who could be every bit as fun as a wet week when she was in one of her mulish, depressive moods? How about Robert Lowell, whose madness and alcoholism inflicted such destruction and pain on the lives of Elizabeth Hardwick and her daughter Harriet? If we condemn Hughes, we must condemn them.

And yet, Hughes is different. People still reject him due to his personal life and put a lot of emphasis on it. Perhaps because, to paraphrase his own words, it befell to him to murder a genius? Perhaps because he lived too long and wrote too much? Perhaps because he accepted the Laureateship (Larkin, who thought him an inferior poet to his wife long before everyone else, was wise enough to decline.) But perhaps it was because his nature was something perceived by other people, and it affected their perception of everything he wrote. After all, if he wanted "swinish" people like Al Alvarez to back off, perhaps he should have married more prudently, to someone of no poetic accomplishment, and stayed faithful. Which he eventually did do, apart from the last bit.

Sat, Mar. 10th, 2007, 05:57 pm
ideealisme: (no subject)

I've just read the book "A Lover of Unreason: The LIfe of Assia Wevill" and reviewed it in my journal. It occurred to me that it would make sense to cross-post it here. However both the book itself and my take on it are not exactly Ted-friendly. Would it be ok to post it here given that?

Mon, Feb. 19th, 2007, 10:38 am
opheliablue: Ted Hughes Footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18DdJO9Lg-s - YouTube 8/9 minute thing with interviews with Ted Hughes - has him reading 'The Thought Fox.'

Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007, 05:29 pm
opheliablue: Frieda Hughes - '45'

Just received the new book of poetry by Frieda Hughes, 'Forty-five.' It's one poem for each year of her life. They are accompanied by paintings which aren't in the book but can be seen on her website (I didn't know she had a website!) Frieda Hughes.

I haven't read it all yet, I can't take it in quickly enough. When I 'discovered' Sylvia Plath 20 years ago, there was absolutely no information about her children whatsoever, you couldn't even buy her abridged journals here. I found them one day at the bookshop at my university where they'd ordered a few from America and probably screeched loud enough for the whole campus to hear. I used to want to know desperately what happened to her children afterwards but I assumed I would never know. Being able to listen to online interview with Frieda Hughes and read her poetry and hear her talk about what happened and now write about what happened is incredible to me.

I want to type the whole thing out because I'm so ecstatic to have it and I want everyone else (who's interested) to be able to read it right now too. But I can't type that much! I've tried to pick a few that stand out so far for different reasons. Will no doubt post more eventually.

Introduction by Frieda HughesCollapse )

I picked this one for obvious reasons.

THIRD YEAR 1962Collapse )

I chose these because I've always been interested in Frieda Hughes' massive falling out with her stepmother, Carol Hughes - up until now I only knew it was related to Ted Hughes' death but I'm interested to know more about what kind of relationship they had when Frieda was growing up.

FOURTEENTH YEAR 1973Collapse )

FIFTEENTH YEAR 1974Collapse )

FORTIETH YEAR 1999Collapse )

Fri, Oct. 13th, 2006, 09:42 pm
22by7: three from 'A Primer of Birds'

CuckooCollapse )

Black-back GullCollapse )

NightingaleCollapse )


I took out the 'Collected Poems' anthology from the library and I am quite... overwhelmed.

Fri, Aug. 25th, 2006, 01:00 am
cyn0sure: kreutzer sonata

thanks for the welcome enigmaticae. i was wondering if the people here could help me out. im currently a private candidate for the 'A' levels, and i have to do a study on several of Hughes' poems. help please! all by myself! thought you lot could give me some insight on the poems that i haven't a clue about.

thanks mateys.

kreutzer sonata

Now you have stabbed her good
A flower of unknown colour of appallingly
Blackened by your surplus of bile
Blooms wetly on her dress.

'Your mystery! Your mystery!...'
All facts, with all absence of facts,
Exhale as the wound there
Drinks its roots and breathes them to nothing.

Vile copulation! Vile! - etcetera.
But now your dagger had outdone everybody's.
Say goodbye, for your wife's sweet flesh goes off,
Booty of the envious spirit's assault.

A sacrifice, not a murder.
One hundred and forty pounds
Of excellent devil, for God.
She tormented Ah demented you.

With that fat lizard Trukachevsky,
That fiddling, leering penis.
Yet why should you castrate yourself
To be rid of them both?

Now you have stabbed her good
Trukachevsky is cut off
From any further operation on you.
And she can find nobody else.

Rest in peace, Tolstoy!
It must have taken supernatural greed
To need to corner all the meat in the world,
Even from your own hunger.

*ok, big help needed. i don't have a clue on how to analyze this poem. it seems rather morbid and he mentions leo tolstoy, what is the link? is this related to his own authorial abilities and those of similar skill? and who or what one arth is 'Trukachevsky'? help me out here, anyone? thanks a million.

Wed, Aug. 23rd, 2006, 04:21 pm
enigmaticae: new folks

hi all,

it seems we have a couple new people who have joined our little (and very quiet) group.
welcome amberdawnpullin and cyn0sure!
everyone should be able to post freely so let me know if you have any trouble whatsoever.

take care!

aka: group mod.

p.s. by the by, ted's b-day anni was back on 17 August . . . we really should have posted something . . .

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